The Greener Way

Energy The Energy Mixx April 27, 2025

The Greener Way

The Greener Way is your podcast for exploring the big environmental, social and governance questions. Each week, The Greener Way will focus on deep conversations with investment and corporate experts who are deeply engaged in managing the sustainability challenges facing our planet.

From climate change to biodiversity, human rights and modern slavery to corporate purpose and governance, we tackle head-on the nuances and trade-offs of our complicated world.

The Greener Way is the podcast of FS Sustainability, the premier weekly trade publication that covers how investors and companies are changing real world outcomes across environmental, social and governance issues.

This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis:

OP3 – https://op3.dev/privacy

In this episode of The Greener Way, host Michelle Baltazar chats with Will Farrell, co-lead of climate change at Federated Hermes Stewardship and Engagement Body (EOS), about the complexities of reducing emissions in hard-to-abate sectors like aviation, shipping, and primary chemicals.

They explore the obstacles related to systemic dependencies, policy enablers, and market-led changes such as electric vehicles. They also discuss the importance of policy clarity, value chain coordination, and governance in achieving successful energy transitions.

1:03 Introducing the US$2.1 trillion sustainability heavyweight

1:36 Energy transition for hard-to-abate sectors

2:57 How economies of scale drive change

5:17 Why climate solutions are expensive for primary chemicals

6:59 The role of policymakers

8:30 The 21% cost advantage of SA’s hydrogen strategy

9:46 Coordinating the value chain

11:03 Case study: The cement industry

12:06 Key messages for investors and companies

This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis:

OP3 – https://op3.dev/privacy

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