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What if the most interesting crypto investments of the next cycle aren’t new blockchains at all? RockawayX Liquid founder Austin Barack joins David to explain why his attention has shifted toward a small group of applications with real users, rapidly growing revenue, and increasingly explicit token value capture.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Finding Growth and Value in Crypto
4:17 Why Liquid Tokens Are Winning His Attention
7:00 How Austin Values Venice and VVV
15:34 The Biggest Bet in the Venice Model
24:53 Can Venice Balance Growth and Token Value?
32:53 Venice Growth and the OpenRouter Signal
37:31 Can Fundamental Tokens Outperform the Crypto Cycle?
43:50 Pump, Hyperliquid and EtherFi
48:57 EtherFi’s Shift Into a Neo Brokerage
58:24 Why the Market Discounts Pump
1:02:42 The Next Era of Crypto

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RESOURCES

Austin Barack
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