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Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
Today’s podcast takes us to the heart of New York City to talk with James Li, the President and Partner of Davidson Kempner, a firm that was an early participant in the merger arbitrage, distressed debt, and opportunistic credit industries.
Davidson Kempner’s heritage lies in cutting through complexity to find value.
Founded in 1983, Davidson Kempner’s origins began in merger arbitrage, distressed debt, and opportunistic credit. The firm, which now has around 1,800 clients, began accepting outside capital in 1987 and has since built out its investment platform to include convertible arbitrage, long / short equities, asset-based lending, and real estate strategies.
Davidson Kempner has since grown to almost $40B in AUM across public and private markets strategies.
The firm has a penchant for navigating complex situations across public and private markets to opportunistically uncover value, noting that “no situation is too complex for [them].”
James unpacked how the firm’s family office DNA has evolved across three generations of leadership into a scaled investment platform across public and private markets to inform the firm’s relative value investing perspective.
James and I had a fascinating conversation on a number of pressing topics at the intersection of public and private markets. We covered:
How do public market feedback loops inform private market investments?
How post-GFC growth in private equity has created “indigestion” in the system.
What the current state of private equity means for capital solutions opportunities.
Why distressed and opportunistic credit can be countercyclical.
What deglobalization means for investing in private markets.
Why are allocators shifting toward absolute return strategies?
How Davidson Kempner’s family office DNA has informed how they approach working with the wealth channel.
Bio
James Li is the President and a Partner at Davidson Kempner. Mr. Li also co-manages the Client Partnerships & Business Development department and oversees the Firm’s Capital Markets, Strategy and Treasury Teams. He joined the Firm in 2018 and is based in the New York office.
Before joining Davidson Kempner, Mr. Li was a Managing Director in the Client Relationship Management and Strategy Group at Goldman, Sachs & Co. Mr. Li received a B.S. from Columbia University.
Thanks, James, for sharing your wisdom, expertise, and passion about public and private markets and your approach to investing in complex situations.
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Show Notes
00:00 Live From Davidson Kempner’s Office in NYC
01:36 A Message from Ultimus Fund Solutions
02:37 Introduction to James Li
05:21 Why Join Davidson Kempner
06:17 Three Generations Of Leadership
06:46 Family Office DNA
08:28 Principled Investing And Complexity
09:13 Finding Returns In Complexity
12:38 Liquid Versus Private Feedback Loops
13:57 Macro Forces And Time Horizons
14:57 Deglobalization And Global Footprint
16:46 Competition And The Marginal Buyer
17:52 Private Capital “Indigestion”
19:12 Capital Solutions Playbook
22:30 Integrated Public Private Edge
32:05 Hedge Funds Return
32:50 Post GFC Lessons
33:01 Incentives And Capacity
33:40 Liquidity Mismatch Risks
34:06 Evergreen Vehicle Design
34:33 Public Private Split
35:00 Avoiding Leverage
36:13 Mark To Market Mechanics
36:37 Flows Back To Hedge Funds
37:28 Educating Wealth Investors
37:46 Strategy Buckets Overview
38:20 Merger Arb Explained
39:43 Global Credit Toolkit
41:02 Portfolio Velocity And Risk
42:13 Investment Led Ownership
45:07 Less Competition In Small Deals
52:16 Opportunistic Credit Case
55:49 Long Term Firm Vision
59:57 Closing Thoughts
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